Our Content Information Providers

Posted By: Team XBMC on Sep 11, 2012 in Site News

We really don’t spend enough time pointing out and thanking those individuals and websites who make the entire XBMC experience possible by agreeing to be included as default XBMC addons and scrapers. Every time you turn on XBMC, browse your library, and navigate your media, you are almost certainly benefiting from the hard work and expense of not only Team XBMC, but also numerous others. The value of these services is truly immeasurable to the user experience. For this reason, we’d like to take this time to talk about the hard work of others.

The TVDB.com

The TVDB covers a lot of ground

One of XBMC’s earliest online content providers was TheTVDB. Back in 2006 and early 2007, the leading media center software for the PC was actually not XBMC (since XBMC had not yet been ported to the PC). Instead, in those days the major PC software was Meedios and Media Portal. Given XBMC’s memory limitations and the fact that we were all still several years away from the efficiency improvements that would make XBMC the beast it is now on embedded devices, Meedios and Media Portal were the primary platforms on which users could install fanart and really go crazy with the early artwork heavy skins of the time, like the original Aeon. TVDB helped to shape many of the rules we take for granted these days. For example, on the XBMC wiki, we have a number of examples of “good” and “bad” fanart, where “good” fanart has no vignetting and is left entirely clean, so that the skinner can do with the art as the skin dictates, rather than as the artist dictates. Such rules were originally created and enforced by the TVDB and revolutionized the way we interact with skins today. The TVDB was also the site behind thumbnails, banners, and other multi-format image work.

Since those days, media center software has only gotten bigger and more popular, with millions of new users every year. Meanwhile, TVDB remains a wholly crowd-sourced website with artwork licensed under the Creative Commons whose server costs and budget are based almost entirely on donations by users like you and me. Every time you scan your TV shows, you are almost certainly looking at artwork and show information that came from The TVDB’s servers. If you are as grateful as we all are, feel free to donate to the server fund.

Fanart.tv

Various examples of fanart.tv-style art

As time went on, more and more forms of artwork arrived on the scene, until eventually TVDB was simply unable to accomodate all the different types of artwork people wanted included. Users wanted png-style artwork that could incorporate transparencies. In particular, they wanted what came to be known as “clearlogos” which are simply the logos of the show without a rectangular background or any other art. They wanted art for individual seasons. They wanted “clearart” which was typically the cast of a show without a background. Seeing a need, XBMC user Kode began adding clearlogos to his site “Lockstockmods.” As more and more art was submitted, it became clear that all this artwork was going to need its own website. And thus was fanart.tv born.

These days, fanart.tv hosts clearlogos, clearArt, characterArt, TV thumbs, Season thumbs, and show backgrounds. It covers TV shows, Movies, and Music. Indeed, fanart.tv’s most active section today is Music, with more and more album covers and artist thumbs being added every day. It does a little bit of something for almost everyone on the artwork front. And quite likely at some time or another, if you have browsed the artwork of XBMC, you’ve seen something that was originally hosted on fanart.tv. Much like TVDB, fanart.tv’s budget is based almost entirely on user donation, so feel free to donate here.

TheMovieDb.org (TMDb)

The MovieDb was created in 2008 with the limited goal of provided better high resolution posters and fanart for XBMC. Since then, it’s become a one-stop shop for posters, art, cast and crew info, trailer links, and more. Much like Fanart.tv and TVDB, TMDb is entirely crowd-sourced.

Weather Underground

The Weather Underground (or Wunderground) is somewhat unique among our content providers, in that they are a for-profit organization who typically charges quite a bit to provide weather services to software like XBMC. As some of you may recall, midway through the Eden beta last year, we lost access to our previous weather service provider. Fortunately, the Weather Underground agreed to step in, wave the typical API fee, and act as a weather service sponsor for XBMC.

Many more…

That is a mere sprinkling of the many websites that contribute to the incredible user experience that XBMC brings together. Other providers include TheAudioDB and MusicBrainz (for music), TheGamesDB (for games), and so many more, thanks to the remarkable work of an army of addon developers and coders.

One Last Group to Thank

There is one other group that we really need to thank: All of you users. Without  your tireless efforts filling in all the missing data on all these crowdsourced sites, XBMC would be nowhere near as fantastic as it is today. Even if you can’t donate to various server funds, you can always contribute art, information, or reviews. In XBMC development, we are fond of the phrase “code welcome” to remind our users that XBMC is a open source, user-created project. While not everybody can code, almost everyone can provide a summary or a picture or a review. And already, countless thousands of you have already done so. Thanks so much for your efforts!

Link Roundup

Forum discussion threads:

Fanart.tv http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=87577
TheMovieDB.org http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=38716
TheTVDB.org http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=38772
TheGamesDB.net http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=75344
TheAudioDB.com http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=134260

Donation links:

Fanart.tv http://fanart.tv/contribute/
TheTVDB.org http://thetvdb.com/donate/
TheGamesDB.net http://thegamesdb.net/blog/
TheAudioDB.com http://theaudiodb.com/

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Discussion - 52 Comments

  • James Jarvis Sep 11, 2012 

    Will TheTVDB be more open to change? I still haven’t seen any of this years American Dad because they refuse to fix (or even set up an alternative way to scrape) the ‘Scene’ version releases.

    Same thing happened with MythBusters (were they real episodes vs specials) and numerous other TV shows. Threads are locked and people are banned. Who knows how many Anime and other TV show fans they ticked off that would have donated but instead got the “OUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY BANNED” message.

  • Zeni Sep 11, 2012 

    @James Jarvis
    I highly doubt it. That entire outfit seems to be run by power-tripping Nazis.

    If anyone wants to do the community a solid, scrape TheTVDB’s entire database and set up a competing service not operated by 12 year olds.

  • Igtenio Sep 11, 2012 

    I’ve never seen what the issue that people have with theTVDB is. Every dealing I’ve had with them has been fair, since they go by the officially published listings. Who cares if some piracy group says X show is in Y season? If the official website says otherwise, shouldn’t that be what any source goes off of?

    Only issue I’ve seen is when they’re figuring out how to list things like Looney Tunes, which are sometimes listed by segment, and other times by entire episode.

    I’m not saying poor situations have never happened. When you’re dealing with any group of people, there’s bound to be a bad apple or two. But some people act like TheTVDB has its’ own nonsensical ordering method.

  • J.S. Sep 11, 2012 

    @James Jarvis

    I agree with Zeni I doubt it. I think it’s a two problems one being people over there are just being a bunch of little nazis about stuff. Two being just how their database is setup. I get the feeling that it would work just fine if it went say by an absolute DVD order and no two shows ever had the same names or were ever related to each other. But since we don’t live in that world we end up in a clusterfuck and the site can’t handle having differing opinions on how to display stuff.

    Titles for anime is a funny and aggravating one to watch. I’ve seen several shows I’ve watched have their title changed, merged and deleted? multiple times because no one can agree on just one name. The site seriously needs to allow multiple titles; original language, official translation, fan sub title variations.

    As it stands I just use Ember Media Manager to scrape the screen shots and such and fix all the title and ordering problems on my end.

  • SarahB Sep 11, 2012 

    @Zeni

    Couldn’t agree more. I notice if anyone dares to question the accuracy of their information they’re gagged within minutes it seems and told they don’t know what they’re talking about. Series with inaccurate episode info and screenshots are often locked with no way to fix them.

    Not only that, but the size and quality of most of the episode thumbs is terrible with heavy jpeg compression. I usually just take my own as a result of theirs being of such low standard.

  • Ashlar Sep 11, 2012 

    I donated to TheTVDB. Whatever you might think of them, the service is really helpful.

  • Martijn Sep 11, 2012 

    @Zeni & James Jarvis
    Your comments are so sad. You have truly no idea of what it takes to run such a site. The real children are you guys

  • natethomas Sep 11, 2012 

    Hi folks. Two things: First, unless you are providing a service nearly as valuable, I’d really appreciate it if you could keep your negative comments somewhere other than this wall. Second, every single person in this thread who compared the way an organization deals with its users to “nazis” immediately loses all credibility. I try very hard to let everyone say their piece here, but when hateful comments reach the level of Godwin’s Law, I tend to lose patience. Please keep it respectful and clean, or be prepared to be booted.

  • SarahB Sep 11, 2012 

    @natethomas

    ONE comment said Nazi’s, the others are merely expressing an opinion or are people not allowed to have one?

    While the service is valuable, it’s certainly run in a heavy handed way and despite what they may think, is flawed in a lot of ways. Obviously this heavy handed and thin skinned approach seems catchy.

  • natethomas Sep 11, 2012 

    SarahB :

    Obviously this heavy handed and thin skinned approach seems catchy.

    LOL. Good times.

  • zonoz Sep 11, 2012 

    Good read, hats off to all the people,services that open their DB to xbmc which are largely responsible for making xbmc the great software it is.To all the hater, if something is free and affects you in a more positive way than negative, it deserves props..if not, don’t use it.

  • Anonymous Sep 11, 2012 

    @Ashlar

    Yup, me too. I appreciate what they’re doing as well.

  • Cristian Conti Sep 12, 2012 

    I expected to see, at least in the “many more thanks” part, something about japanese anime. I hope that “anime” will be soon a category like movies and tv series, with separate scraping (i really don’t like anime movies inside a movie list or Gundam series mixed with Game of Thrones.
    I think that future versions of XBMC need to be more”auto-configurating” for the newbies, with a sort of wizard configurator.

  • nedscott Sep 12, 2012 

    TVDB can be very frustrating sometimes, but at the same time I understand the need to set rules and stick to them. When you’re a volunteer organization, and you only have so many people working on a project, if you open exceptions to the rules you run the risk of making more work than you can handle. I believe the best bet to resolving disputes on TVDB is to propose technical solutions. For example, we now have the ability to use DVD order or airing order, which gets rid of a lot of debates/arguments. If TVDB is presented with a workable idea on how to include other airing orders/season info, then they’re likely to give it a shot. Like all such things in these kinds of projects, it takes time and effort, so be patient and understanding if there isn’t a solution right away.

  • Stranger Sep 12, 2012 

    Cristian Conti :
    I expected to see, at least in the “many more thanks” part, something about japanese anime. I hope that “anime” will be soon a category like movies and tv series, with separate scraping (i really don’t like anime movies inside a movie list or Gundam series mixed with Game of Thrones.
    I think that future versions of XBMC need to be more”auto-configurating” for the newbies, with a sort of wizard configurator.

    AniDB Scrapper will be your friend :) http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=64587

    I hope too, Anime will get more and more attention and the AniDB Scrapper will be further developed.

  • Maximilian Sep 12, 2012 

    Why doesn’t XBMC’s standard skin support FanArt like clearlogos, clearArt, and characterArt, etc. by default?

  • Rocky Sep 12, 2012 

    *Meedio and MediaPortal. Not sure that MeediOS (Meedio reverse-engineered) existed back in 2006 or 2007.

    Also, its MediaPortal, not “Media Portal”, and TheTVDB, not “The TVDB”, and we promise not to say XB MC ;)

  • Harley Sep 12, 2012 

    Any news on that new metadata web scraping engine that Topsfs2 was working on for this years GSoC?

    Would be great to have that integrated into XBMC so that we can have scrapers written in Python!

    Cristian Conti :I think that future versions of XBMC need to be more”auto-configurating” for the newbies

    +1 for an easier way to initially setup scrapers in XBMC that is directed towards first-time users

  • HenryFord Sep 12, 2012 

    SarahB :
    @natethomas
    ONE comment said Nazi’s, the others are merely expressing an opinion or are people not allowed to have one?

    I count at least two comments stating that they are being “Nazis”. However – that is not the point here:
    The expression of opinions is fine, as stated by natethomas and proved in countless other comments, but it is really going in the hateful part when you call people “12 years old” as well. People seem to forget the HUGE amount of work which is put behind such sites. Of course you can express your disgress and noone is going to shout at you – but you have to accept other opinions as well in order for the system to work. And if the people behind thetvdb decide to run it like they are running it, who are you to speak against that? Setup your own service and all is fine, but pushing so much hate against a group of people who are providing a useful and quite needed service you come off as rude and disrespectful. theTVDB works with the official listings, provided by the networks which air those shows – isn’t that the way to go? If some group in “the scene” decides to work in other ways, why should anyone care? Just rename your goddamn episode and all is fine. I really can’t understand the outrage about this.

    I thank all of the sites listed above for their hard-work, and also take the hint to add fanart.tv to my guide as soon as I am back from vacation.

  • James Jarvis Sep 12, 2012 

    Because it renders tools like XBMC and (most especially) SickBeard useless. How hard would it be to add a “scene numbering” to the database?

    As it stands I’ve missed almost an entire season of American Dad because SickBeard flat out doesn’t work. And then when it does try to scrape into XBMC the data makes no sense because it’s a whole season off.

  • spiff Sep 12, 2012 

    @maximillian; we have more than a million users and < 1% of those care. it's the default skin. the amount of traffic due to people who can't give a f downloading all that data… you should get the picture. it's a balance and we are already on the wrong side of what can be handled.

  • Martijn Sep 12, 2012 

    @James Jarvis
    Have you ever run a websites as large? So don’t go commenting “how hard can it be”.
    Sickbeard does work perfectly. Maybe you just need to change a couple of file names once in a whiles. Like it’s that much work.

  • Scott Sep 13, 2012 

    Thanks for TheGamesDB mention guys! The link that you provided in the section for forum links should actually point here though: http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=103329

  • nedscott Sep 13, 2012 

    I do think TVDB needs to reassess this idea that the broadcaster/network is king for airing information. Multiple broadcasters are used for various shows for multiple locations, and some don’t even use traditional broadcasters anymore (such as Netflix exclusive shows, web only series, etc). It is ridiculous that some broadcasters (such as Fox) can magically change what a season is when the creators and the rest of the broadcasters for the rest of the world disagree.

    I still believe a technical solution would be the best way to resolve this, but I totally understand people’s frustrations with this rule.

  • Maximilian Sep 13, 2012 

    spiff :
    @maximillian; we have more than a million users and < 1% of those care. it’s the default skin. the amount of traffic due to people who can’t give a f downloading all that data… you should get the picture. it’s a balance and we are already on the wrong side of what can be handled.

    Then perhaps make the scraping for those extra fanart types optional via a GUI setting for the scraper?

    Right now Confluence does not support any clear* fanarts at all, so if one wants it we have to mod it :/

  • Martijn Sep 13, 2012 

    If any one tried to register to fanart.tv and got a payment page, this was site problem.
    Registration is free and so will the site.

  • James Jarvis Sep 13, 2012 

    @Martijn: And no, it’s not “just need to change a couple of file names once in a while”. It flat out won’t download entire seasons/series because of the discrepancy between TMDB and the scene.

    Keep blindly sticking up for the TMDB guys both here and on facebook you blindly go to bat for them calling users “sad bunch of children who have no understanding of this world” and “The real children are you guys”.

    @Nedscott: “I believe the best bet to resolving disputes on TVDB is to propose technical solutions”

    Which has been proposed. It would not be difficult to add another field with the ‘scene’ numbering so that SickBeard would work correctly.

  • Henryford Sep 14, 2012 

    @James Jarvis sorry, but to download one Episode each week and then rename it, is not that hard to do by yourself. You already have the convenience to use something like Sickbeard, does it make you that lazy already? We could easily turn this around: why doesn’t Sickbeard include an exception list Here which would handle those differences?
    On Another Note:
    1. Adding one field is not a simple Task – you’d have to alter the whole database, every single item in it – a process that would take a huge amount of time and which isn’t guaranteed to work flawless…
    2. That is not a real solution – how should Sickbeard determine which order to use now? The official one or the scene numbering? There are a lot of problems arising which you clearly didn’t think though – but yeah, calling it easy sure is easy.

  • Martijn Sep 14, 2012 

    @James Jarvis
    Which prove how childish you are

  • voodoo Sep 14, 2012 

    TheMovieDB changes the release year depending on what region/language you access the site from.

    This is ridiculous behaviour for a database, release year should not be a variable that can be changed on a whim. Many times XBMC has not scraped a movie because I have labelled it as 2010 (according to IMDB, the REAL movie database) but TheMovieDB decides that it is actually a 2012 movie because it was not released in theatres in my country etc.

    It gets real messy when you have thousands of movies that have all been labelled correctly many years ago using the correct release date.

  • Igtenio Sep 14, 2012 

    @James Jarvis
    Saying that people are blindly standing up for the TVDB is flat out hypocritical when you’re doing the same for the scene release groups. They have exactly nothing backing up their reasons for marking the releases as they do, whereas the TVDB at least has the broadcaster’s information at the matter. Irregardless of the intent of the creators as to episode ordering and where seasons begin and end, the fact of the matter is that it’s a decision ultimately up to the parent broadcasting company when an episode airs, the order they air in, and the season the episode ultimately belongs in.

    It very much sounds to me that you’re unhappy with the way the TVDB is ordering things because they don’t follow the scene releases, and that’s fine. Just as the TVDB follows the official listings, maybe someone should create a resource for scene releases, and if you feel this strongly about it I have no doubt you’ll have no issue doing so yourself. All the hard work you pour into it will benefit many people, and create the resources everyone wants.

  • sialivi Sep 15, 2012 

    TVDB is a great service, but it’s one that I no longer contribute to after being treated like shit by one of their moderators for no good reason. If they want donations, or future contributions, then they first need to get rid of the one biting my hand.

  • nedscott Sep 16, 2012 

    @Igtenio
    I would disagree with “nothing backing up their reasons” for scene release groups. Broadcaster is no longer king. Very often the broadcaster is not the parent/owner of a show, but simply one of many methods of distribution, including other broadcasters. In some cases there are even shows that will air one way/order and then air again on the same network/broadcaster in a different way/order. Or different broadcasters for different countries will choose different order, season groupings, etc.

    This still isn’t to say that TVDB is “at fault”. I don’t blame TVDB for handling it the way they do because they have to handle things however they can. They’re not paid, they have limited resources, and some solutions take time.

  • Scott Zsori Sep 16, 2012 

    Thank you to everyone that has been supportive in various ways. I’ll address a couple things, although they’ve been addressed elsewhere.

    @nedscott:
    Good insight. I am rewriting the site and it will include the ability for any series to have MANY different orders. We’re still going to require that people provide sources for a lot of stuff since otherwise it gets a bit random (speaking from what’s happened in the past), but one of the orders you’ll see a lot is “Popular”, which will match up to what the community deems the most sane order. It won’t solve every problem, but it will eliminate the most common ones. No ETA, although I’ve been making good progress lately.

    @people complaining about mods:
    Before people criticize our mods they should see some of the messages we get dozens of times a day. I don’t envy our mods one bit. It’s incredible that any of them stick around more than a week. The problem is that a lot of people feel like the site should do something their way and even though sometimes the mods agree, they are required to follow the site rules. Sure, some could be more pleasant at times, but the same holds true for dozens of users they deal with daily. Regardless, we’re hoping mod tools on the new site streamline things a bit so mods can use canned responses instead of having to respond manually. :)

    @James Jarvis:
    We walk a very tricky line regarding scene releases. While we understand that software like Sickbeard uses our listings to automatically download scene releases, the moment we start catering specifically to that we put a giant legal crosshairs on the site. I’ve spoken quite a bit with other TV metadata sites and they take the same approach: we know it’s there, but we have to completely ignore it for the sake of our sites. That’s not to say we can’t take a generic approach to the problem (see above), but rather that trying to order our stuff to match the scene while ignoring everything else is a BAD idea. Not to mention that the scene regularly changes their orders and does so without any reason. They once changed Mythbusters twice in the middle of a season, which really created headaches for us. It’s an annoying problem to deal with and we’re doing what we can. The ultimate solution is to have the scene release using ONLY air date (The Office – 2012.09.16[a|b] – Today.mkv) but the scene doesn’t care one bit about the community… they release based on their own desires.

    Anyway, thanks again to XBMC for featuring us and for everyone that is working to support us. It really means a lot and is helping motivate me in my development of the new site as well. Please make sure you support the other sites mentioned as well… even though we got top billing in the post, there is a HUGE need for open databases for movies, games, and music as well.

  • Harley Sep 17, 2012 

    Why not have permanent links to TheTVDB.com, Fanart.tv, and TheMovieDb.org, etc. on xbmc.org home page?

    Maybe list them all as assosiated projects or similar to always help promote them and their communities?

    Perhaps they should even be listed as sponsors of XBMC since they indirectly assist XBMC without charging?

  • Igtenio Sep 17, 2012 

    @nedscott
    While I agree wholeheartedly that broadcaster is no longer the sole king, I don’t believe that changes many of the cases where people often have gripes about the ordering.

    For example, there’ve been a couple of cases where the original broadcaster will split up a single season over two years. The most recent which comes to mind is Breaking Bad, but also the new Battlestar Galactica. I even recall the reverse happening, with a show having a finished unaired season split into two so the network could fulfill the contractual obligation for two more seasons.*

    Now, for example, say that Vince Gilligan, creator of Breaking Bad, said that the show actually had two 8 episode seasons, not one 16 episode season split over two years. Should theTVDB list it as one season based on AMC’s listings, or two seasons based on creator intent? Because it’s an AMC Original Series, and they own the rights to it, I think they should have the final say on what the official listing is. Gilligan made it, and pitched it, but AMC owns it.

    This doesn’t always pan out. After all, look at Firefly. The only upside is that Fox was kind enough to release them in order for the DVD release.

    So you’re absolutely right. Broadcaster isn’t always king, but the owner of the show should be. Looking through the “Series Specific Information” thread on the TheTVDB shows that there’re numerous examples of paraphrasing “Show is on Season X according to Y source, that’s what will be listed regardless of what The Scene thinks”. There might be some series with legitimate reasons for that. Maybe a series creator has spoken out on how the first season was split into two and the scene folks are numbering accordingly. But you can’t look at the list they have, not to mention the unlisted examples out there, and tell me that every scene release has a perfectly good reason for numbering them the way they do when they ignore the official listing.

    * – I forget which show it was, but I want to say it was on the Sci-Fi Channel

  • James Jarvis Sep 17, 2012 

    Martijn :
    @James Jarvis
    Which prove how childish you are

    Your logical for rebuttles is genius.

    Scott Zsori :
    Thank you to everyone that has been supportive in various ways. I’ll address a couple things, although they’ve been addressed elsewhere.
    @James Jarvis:
    We walk a very tricky line regarding scene releases. While we understand that software like Sickbeard uses our listings to automatically download scene releases, the moment we start catering specifically to that we put a giant legal crosshairs on the site.

    Then why not use the production codes? That’s the most logical method. If you use Fox’s broadcast numbering for Firefly the show would make no sense. Same goes for numerous shows on Fox because they’ll air them out of order that the content creator (the studio) created them in. (As lgtenio pointed out).

    The technology exists to list multiple things. Heck you could even have a release identifier per group. aXXo released it as S05E04. Fox aired it as S06E01. It was shot as S05E13. Etc. Especially for stuff that was canceled like Family Guy and Futurama where they decided to cram remaining episodes into another season.

  • Scott Zsori Sep 18, 2012 

    James Jarvis :
    Then why not use the production codes? That’s the most logical method. If you use Fox’s broadcast numbering for Firefly the show would make no sense. Same goes for numerous shows on Fox because they’ll air them out of order that the content creator (the studio) created them in. (As lgtenio pointed out).
    The technology exists to list multiple things. Heck you could even have a release identifier per group. aXXo released it as S05E04. Fox aired it as S06E01. It was shot as S05E13. Etc. Especially for stuff that was canceled like Family Guy and Futurama where they decided to cram remaining episodes into another season.

    Production codes don’t accurately reflect the order that the show should be watched in. Often shows break continuity if you watch them in the order indicated by the production code and some shows even film in a semi-random order to prevent leaks. Some shows don’t release production code information at all. Additionally, the scene most definitely doesn’t use the production code so it’s kind of a moot point for what you’re looking for. It would really have the same effect as using the network’s website listing except more obscure.

    We will NOT have a release identifier per-group, nor will any site that wants to stay around for a while. Like I said, once we cater specifically to the scene, we’re screwed. And I also explained that we’ll be handling many of the cases by simply allowing more season types.

  • James Jarvis Sep 18, 2012 

    So explain Firefly as it has been brought up twice. If you went hard core “THIS IS WHAT FOX SAYS” it would be wrong. Fox fixed it for the DVD release but until that came along they were just flat out wrong.

    And you don’t have to call it a ‘scene numbering’ call it “alternative airing numbering”.

  • Scott Zsori Sep 18, 2012 

    James Jarvis :
    So explain Firefly as it has been brought up twice. If you went hard core “THIS IS WHAT FOX SAYS” it would be wrong. Fox fixed it for the DVD release but until that came along they were just flat out wrong.
    And you don’t have to call it a ’scene numbering’ call it “alternative airing numbering”.

    Have you read anything I’ve written? WE ARE MAKING AN ORDER ON THE NEW SITE CALLED “POPULAR” THAT WILL ADDRESS MANY OF THESE ISSUES. Not sure how I can make that more clear to you. As for Firefly, the DVDs were out long before TheTVDB came along. We knew at that time that Fox was numbering them the way Joss intended and every other site on the Internet was matching that. That doesn’t match with what you’re asking for, where we ignore what the only official listing shows and instead use what the Scene does, which is even more random at times. I’m done with this conversation for two reasons: 1) it isn’t going anywhere… you’ve proven that you believe you know how to handle it better and 2) we already have a system in place on the new site to handle it anyway.

    Take care.

  • nedscott Sep 18, 2012 

    @James Jarvis
    You’re forgetting that DVD order is an option on TVDB. You can set it in XBMC when you scrape to use DVD order, thus no issue for Firefly anymore.

  • Maximilian Sep 19, 2012 

    Martijn :
    @Harley
    They are listed :) http://xbmc.org/about/friends-and-sponsors/</p

    Ah but a bit too hidden away I think. Better to have them on xbmc.org front page with logos as with sponsors?

  • An anon Sep 19, 2012 

    http://thexem.de/xem/show/16

    American Dad, cross-entity mapped.. Sickbeard’s anime fork uses this to disambiguate this stuff. Probably not the ideal approach but sure does work.

  • Travis Bell Sep 20, 2012 

    voodoo :
    TheMovieDB changes the release year depending on what region/language you access the site from.

    We’ve supported the selection of an “official” release date for quite some time now. This is the date that is used in both the API and website if it’s been selected for a particular movie.

  • Barcoboy Sep 20, 2012 

    I’m still waiting for XBMC to fix the issue of it not being able to handle decimal points in DVD order on TheTVDB episodes. There’s been a ticket on trac.xbmc.org for a year and a half now, and still no fix.

    http://trac.xbmc.org/ticket/11092

  • Jimmer Sep 21, 2012 

    @Scott Zsori: Thanks for making an awesome site that (together with xbmc) puts me in tv watching hog-heaven! I was laso impressed with the matrue, reasoned and detailed reply to your detractors in this thread. You highlight the key problems and potential solutions to those problems that you are working on. Seems sensible and grown up. Shame other responses couldn’t have matched up to the tone that you set!

    Again, just wanted to say thanks for hard work on a free site that anyone can enjoy, hope a few muppets don’t put you off what is clearly a lot of hard work and a great service….

  • Jimmer Sep 21, 2012 

    *also
    *mature

    damn spelling!

  • nedscott Sep 21, 2012 

    @Barcoboy
    If you want it done faster, learn to code and submit a patch. It’s basically a feature addition, since XBMC was never set up to handle multiple entries for a single episode.

  • Korkenzieher Sep 21, 2012 

    Great thanks to all that contribute to the various projects (TheTVDB and TheMovieDB in particular), the improvement in speed and ease of use has been great over the years! Admittedly I’ve had my doubts about some stuff but the responses here definitely seems to be addressing some of the bigger issues I’ve had so I’ll be eagerly looking forward to seeing the implementations. Mostly been contributing with edits so far but a donation is probably also called for, anyhow, thanks for the great work!

  • Barcoboy Sep 21, 2012 

    Sure @nedscott, I’ll get right on that and save the world again.

  • djbarney Sep 25, 2012 

    Great read, and also good news on the improvements on the TVDB :) Keep on going all of you devs, you are making the already very enjoyable XBMC experience just that bit better!

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