The USB-CEC Adapter is a look into the Future

Posted By: Team XBMC on Nov 01, 2011 in Site News

Sometime around 2006 or 2007, I modded my first Xbox. I admit it, I’m practically a n00b in the realm of XBMC hacking. I didn’t even know what YAMP or Xbox Media Player were until I researched them! I bring this up because since that amazing day I haven’t felt the complete astonishment of a perfect merge of hardware and software until this past weekend, when I connected my TV to my pc via the Pulse Eight USB-CEC Adapter.

The HDMI CEC adapter

Here we can see the tiny adapter connected on both sides to HDMI cables and a mini-USB cable attached on the end. Those aren't over-sized HDMI cables either. The adapter is REALLY tiny.

First, a bit of back story: Often, people don’t understand why the Team so excitedly awaits the coming of Binary Addons. To put it simply (and probably factually inaccurately), binary addons mark the step in which much of XBMC becomes self-updating.

Since XBMC Atlantis and Babylon, the team has slowly been trying make XBMC more and more modular, so that pieces of XBMC could be updated without the need for a complete reinstall of the system. A highly successful example is our scrapers, which were once built into the system, and are now easily and often updated.

Unfortunately, many pieces of XBMC are simply too integrated to ever fully get pulled out or added onto without the use of an independent program. Likewise, a great deal of functionality can never be added using the simple python addons we rely on today. Thus, the necessity for independent, binary addon programs becomes clear.

With binary addons XBMC could add an entirely new video player (possibly even one that actually plays DRM content). It could add independent Live TV and PVR software. Practically every individual component of XBMC could be updated without needing a new release.   And, particularly relevant to this article, the binary addon system could add new libraries that interact with specific pieces of totally unanticipated hardware.

XBMC and Siri, XBMC and Kinect? Sure, all with a simple (at least, simple for the user) addon, without the need of additional helper software like EventGhost.

First out of the gate of exciting new ways to control your entertainment system is the USB-CEC Adapter. While the USB-CEC Adapter’s library is not a binary addon itself, it does act as a demonstration of how XBMC will be able to act with peripheral devices. The USB CEC Adapter doesn’t require lirc, a change to the Windows registry, or a default OSX remote. It operates entirely independently via a separate software library. When binary addons become a reality, any user could add (and update) a software library that allows a completely new piece of hardware to interact more closely with XBMC.

So what does this adapter do?

Simply put, the USB-CEC adapter lets your computer, your TV, and any other CEC compatible hardware “talk” to each other via HDMI cables. In one fell swoop, this adapter has the potential of making Harmony remotes entirely pointless.

For example, I have a Samsung TV that uses AnyNet+, the Samsung-branded version of CEC,  to communicate with other devices. Once I set up the adapter, I was able to use my television remote to navigate the XBMC menus, play, pause, and stop video, switch between pictures, videos, and music menus using my colored buttons, and, of course, select various options.

The USB-CEC Adapter is sold by Pulse Eight, but was pretty well entirely developed by a subset of Team XBMC members. Bob van Loosen, maker of the boblight, known in the forums as bobo1on1, did a first schematic cut. The board was layed out by Pulse Eight and then tested externally by Newbury Electronics. Bob then finished the firmware and built a test lib (i.e. a software library of commands that help software and hardware interact). Lars Op den Kamp, known as dushmaniac around here, then developed the official libCEC library based on Bob’s original work.

Once the adapter is plugged in, XBMC and libCEC work together to delegate which buttons control which aspects of your system. In XBMC, you can alter these controls by visiting system -> input -> peripherals -> CEC adapter. In addition, because the CEC adapter allows XBMC and your computer to control your TV and other peripherals as much as it allows your TV to control XBMC, you are given a host of thoughtful (and power-saving) commands that a Harmony remote could not hope to replicate. For example, when XBMC turns on its grayed-out screensaver, it can turn off your television. And when you turn off your television, XBMC will be able to recognize the change in state and go into sleep mode itself. For a video on some of the simpler functions, check out the bottom of this page.

CEC Adapter settings page

The CEC Adapter is currently compatible only with the most recent nightly versions of XBMC Pre-Eden. As always, when using pre-release software like Pre-Eden, users may run into odd quirks that can vary from night to night. Once the adapter is installed and working though, everything should be smooth sailing… with one major exception.

It is possible that your peripheral devices (but most importantly, your TV) may not have support for CEC. This lack of support can range from entirely being unable to interact with other devices to mild, device-specific quirks. For example, my Samsung had no problem recognizing and connecting with XBMC, but its firmware separates “receivers” from “players.” So if I want to interact with XBMC using my TV’s remote, I can, but I can’t control the audio in XBMC. This is actually a known issue that is being worked on by the Pulse Eight development team. In fact, the development team has been incredibly helpful and is actively seeking out additional hardware to support. If you have any problems with your specific devices, you are welcome to list the issues in the Pulse Eight forums, and the team should move fairly quickly to add support. I presume that most recent name brand televisions should all work relatively well over CEC, but looking through the manual of your television would probably not hurt, nor would asking on the Pulse Eight forums. Odds are, your device will use an alternative naming scheme for CEC. For example, Samsung uses Anynet+. See here for a list of alternative trade names.

In the end, I’m sold on the USB-CEC adapter. It really is an awesome device and a great deal cheaper than the equivalent Harmony remote. But more important than that, I’m excited about the future of XBMC and what the CEC adapter and devices like it mean for that future.

With binary addons now slated for Frodo (the release after Eden), we look forward to more and more hardware vendors integrating their devices with XBMC and providing new and innovative methods for creating a more connected home theater system. Until then, feel free to have a go at the USB-CEC adapter and keep an eye out as we bring you additional interesting developments.

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Discussion - 79 Comments

  • Corey Nov 01, 2011 

    Very exciting.

  • Flanhare Nov 01, 2011 

    This is just awesome! I have been looking at the USB-CEC adapter for a while, might make a order now.

  • Dave Nov 01, 2011 

    This is very interesting. I might be looking at getting one of these. The ability to hit standby on the TV and have my XBMC do the same is very tempting.

  • Martin Ellis Nov 01, 2011 

    Dave :
    This is very interesting. I might be looking at getting one of these. The ability to hit standby on the TV and have my XBMC do the same is very tempting.

    Don’t forget you can do it the other way round too, hit standby on your PC and it standby’s the TV

  • curious Nov 01, 2011 

    cost?

  • Luke Nov 01, 2011 

    I like the idea here, but it won’t replace my Harmony Remote just yet, as much as I hate the software that powers it. I have an AV receiver and I have no idea if I could use one remote (or which one that would be) to control the TV standby; receiver volume, power, input; and all functions of every other device I own (if they are even CEC compatible).

  • Patrik Dufresne Nov 01, 2011 

    I’m very looking into it. I have a Samsung TV supporting AnyNet+ and was looking for a way to use only one single remote control to operate the TV and the XBMC at low Cost. let hope it’s not too complicated to setup it. I don’t have the patient to work on this kind of stuff any more.

    +1 for the innovation of the XBMC team

  • NateM Nov 01, 2011 

    I’m just curious, why isn’t something like this integrated into video cards, or could be software base? obviously we are running XBMC on some forum of PC, I find it strange that this is something that comes out of the PC along with the HDMI cable, just to meet back up with the HDMI cable.
    I am excited about it though, I wouldn’t mind getting rid of one more remote.

  • Anonymous Nov 02, 2011 

    That’s a lot of enthusiasm for what is basically an expensive workaround. The graphics card (or similar) should clearly be responsible for exposing a decent CEC interface to the OS, directly using the HDMI ports.

  • clank Nov 02, 2011 

    just ordered one… :)

  • Hans Nov 02, 2011 

    This is awesome! But from what i read you can’t use it through a dvi-> hdmi connection, correct? My mini has dvi out which send its signal through an hdmi adapter, that probably wont work?

  • Anonymous Nov 02, 2011 

    have it at home and so far was not able to make it running .. hopefully with new build of libCEC i will see it in action.

  • hagay Nov 02, 2011 

    Great news indeed.

    Tough from my experience binary addons/plugins usually causes a lot of crashes/hangs and the core system can’t prevent them all.

  • natethomas Nov 02, 2011 

    @Anonymous
    I fully agree. The graphics card SHOULD be responsible for exposing a decent CEC interface. Now, if you can just convince ATI or NVIDIA to actually DO that, then everyone will be happy.

    @Hans
    I am actually using dvi->hdmi right now. Since the signal is sent via usb and not via HDMI, it doesn’t especially matter what port is being used on your graphics card.

    @Anonymous
    I actually ran into some install problems myself (running Windows). If you are using an XBMC build from this week, you should be in for a better time. This guy is REALLY cutting edge.

  • bjorn eriksson Nov 02, 2011 

    When Eden hits the shelfs I will definitly get one of these! great work all who developed! as always please add a flattr (http://flattr.com/) button to the site

  • bleze Nov 02, 2011 

    WARNING! Turning CEC on in at least some Onkyo receivers will yield a very high standby power consumption.

    http://nodef.blogspot.com/2009/02/onkyo-tx-sr876-power-consumption.html

    Best to check with a meter before getting an unusual high power bill.

  • Martin Ellis Nov 02, 2011 

    Patrik Dufresne :
    I’m very looking into it. I have a Samsung TV supporting AnyNet+ and was looking for a way to use only one single remote control to operate the TV and the XBMC at low Cost. let hope it’s not too complicated to setup it. I don’t have the patient to work on this kind of stuff any more.
    +1 for the innovation of the XBMC team

    Just plug it in, it will just work without any effort on your part

  • Martin Ellis Nov 02, 2011 

    Luke :
    I like the idea here, but it won’t replace my Harmony Remote just yet, as much as I hate the software that powers it. I have an AV receiver and I have no idea if I could use one remote (or which one that would be) to control the TV standby; receiver volume, power, input; and all functions of every other device I own (if they are even CEC compatible).

    Put a list of your hardware on the Pulse-Eight forums and we will see what you can control

  • Martin Ellis Nov 02, 2011 

    NateM :
    I’m just curious, why isn’t something like this integrated into video cards, or could be software base? obviously we are running XBMC on some forum of PC, I find it strange that this is something that comes out of the PC along with the HDMI cable, just to meet back up with the HDMI cable.
    I am excited about it though, I wouldn’t mind getting rid of one more remote.

    Because to be CEC compliant a graphics card vendor needs to have all exposed HDMI ports be connected to the same CEC bus, this is fine if you only have 1 graphics card. But imagine the nightmare if you’ve got to interop with an onboard hdmi port, and what if you have a crossfire/sli configuration? the problem just becomes nightmarish, so basically all the card vendors just gave up and don’t even wire the pin.

  • Dush Nov 02, 2011 

    In principle this sounds awesome but I’ve had issues with things like this before and standby power consumption since the device normally has to stay ‘more awake’ than when powering on over IR. But 3-5 years from now when all equipment has it as standard it will be great.

    Btw my TV shuts itself off as I have XBMC set to blank the screen and my Samsung to switch off when no signal received.

  • Lars Op den Kamp Nov 02, 2011 

    @Dush
    there’s no extra power consumption at all and nearly every TV with HDMI already supports it (if it’s not older than 3 years).

    the USB-CEC adapter also does a lot more than just powering on/off the TV and switching it to the right channel, and we’ll be adding more features later.

  • Harley Nov 02, 2011 

    Very cool but I’m looking forward to Pulse-Eight coming out with a Ambilight Kit and Boblight Addon for XBMC!

    There are several DYI Ambilight Kits out there but I want one that “just works” out-of-the-box with XBMC :)

  • fifthrider Nov 02, 2011 

    So, if we are getting binary plugins, can we please get a means of swapping out the codec packs? I’d use my XBMC install a lot more if I could get 10-bit encodes to work smoothly.

  • Mikael Nov 02, 2011 

    @bleze

    Thats an design flaw, look at the idle aswell…

    Denon AVR-3312
    0.1 Watt (Standard)
    < 2.2 Watt (CEC activated)
    < 2 Watt (Network standby)

  • Myth Nov 02, 2011 

    I’m guessing any changes that are being made to support more devices will only influence the PC software (drivers)? Or if needed does the device support updating its firmware?

  • Martin Ellis Nov 02, 2011 

    Myth :
    I’m guessing any changes that are being made to support more devices will only influence the PC software (drivers)? Or if needed does the device support updating its firmware?

    The firmware will get updates but the lib will handle auto updating the module as required

  • Martin Ellis Nov 02, 2011 

    Mikael :
    @bleze
    Thats an design flaw, look at the idle aswell…
    Denon AVR-3312
    0.1 Watt (Standard)
    < 2.2 Watt (CEC activated)
    < 2 Watt (Network standby)

    My guess is an extra microcontroller is running to support CEC which needs a little bit more power

  • bobo1on1 Nov 02, 2011 

    @Martin Ellis
    2 watts is about what you would expect when keeping on the power supply, controllers and possible some leds, the Onkyo using 86 watts in standby with cec on is ridiculous, I’m guessing the internal amplifiers are still turned on in standby due to a software bug, 86 watts for 8 idling amplifier channels sounds about right.

  • Kieran Nov 02, 2011 

    Does it work with any platform for XBMC or only specific ones? Does it work with a Mac?

  • natethomas Nov 02, 2011 

    @Kieran
    It works with OSX, Windows, and Linux. iOS is out, because there’s no easy way to attach USB on that platform.

  • natethomas Nov 02, 2011 

    @Myth
    To my knowledge, binary addons are not intended to be extended to updating firmware. They are more for software libraries within XBMC.

  • basco Nov 02, 2011 

    that is a lot cheaper then this one:
    http://rainshadowtech.com/default_files/HDMICECUSB.htm

    i have an onkyo receiver so unfortunally i cannot use hdmi cec adapter.
    when i turn on hdmi cec in my receiver the STANDBY power consumption is 60 watt!! (how about that for a design flaw..)

  • jgslima Nov 02, 2011 

    It seems nice, but I feel like I am missing something here.
    I wonder if would be possible to acomplish all that without the adapter, that is, just with the HDMI cable itself. After all, the device that talks with XBMC (the TV), has nothing but the capabilities of HDMI only, both to send and to receive instructions.
    Why is not possible to “simply” use the HDMI capabilites to talk with the other device?

  • RyanG Nov 02, 2011 

    Great device! Assumedly works with Panasonic’s VIERA Link?

    Is there any reason why it isn’t more “dongle-like”, with fixed/attached HDMI/USB cables, instead of sockets? Sure, I have spare HDMI and USB cables, but the shortest one I have is ~1m… And my TV isn’t 2m from my HTPC, the existing 1m cable is too long. If there was a short HDMI+USB cable hanging out of this box, with a socket for the HDMI->TV, it’d be a lot easier to hide.

    Just a suggestion. :)

  • RyanG Nov 02, 2011 

    @RyanG

    Ehhh.. Wait. Does it come with short cables? It’s not really mentioned on the product page, but here (http://blog.pulse-eight.com/2011/08/30/installing-the-cec-adapter/) says it does..

  • zemosabe Nov 02, 2011 

    This may not be the right venue for this question but I will give it a shot anyway. I have a Sony TV with “BraviaLink”(sic?) capability. Sony seems to claim that I need a Sony receiver with BraviaLink in order to fully utilize CEC. I am currently in the market for a receiver and wondering if I am limited to Sony’s options. The Sony STR-520 seems well suited to my needs (cost and otherwise) but as Black Friday approaches it would be nice to know If other options exist.

    Would love to ditch my keyboard and Monster AVL 300 w/ a broken select key for a USB-CEC and Motorola Nyxboard.

    Keep up the good work Pulse Eight and XBMC Team!

  • meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Nov 02, 2011 

    uuuummmmmm why isnt my xbmc working it is just saying error plus my cousins and friends are not working either

  • aptalca Nov 02, 2011 

    I thought binary addons would be in Eden and they would be the big offering of Eden. If not, what is Eden offering?

    Sorry that was a bit off topic.

    The CEC adapter sure seems very intriguing. How about controlling two devices simultaneously? Is that supported? Such as, HDMI goes from htpc to CEC adapter, then goes to receiver, then to the tv. Can this control both the receiver and the tv from xbmc??

  • Jonas Nov 03, 2011 

    So, just to make sure that I understood everything right – if I buy one of these and plug it in, I can use my TV remote to interact with XBMC? I have a modern Toshiba TV with “Regza link” which is Toshiba’s fancy name for CEC.

  • Martin Ellis Nov 03, 2011 

    basco :
    that is a lot cheaper then this one:
    http://rainshadowtech.com/default_files/HDMICECUSB.htm
    i have an onkyo receiver so unfortunally i cannot use hdmi cec adapter.
    when i turn on hdmi cec in my receiver the STANDBY power consumption is 60 watt!! (how about that for a design flaw..)

    It used to be over a 100usd they dropped the price once we built ours, but it still lacks pass through and doesn’t ship with the cable accessories which ours does

  • Martin Ellis Nov 03, 2011 

    jgslima :
    It seems nice, but I feel like I am missing something here.
    I wonder if would be possible to acomplish all that without the adapter, that is, just with the HDMI cable itself. After all, the device that talks with XBMC (the TV), has nothing but the capabilities of HDMI only, both to send and to receive instructions.
    Why is not possible to “simply” use the HDMI capabilites to talk with the other device?

    Because the CEC wire is not exposed on virtually any motherboard or graphics card (only 1 laptop that we know of made by Toshiba has done this and provided an app to talk to it)

  • Martin Ellis Nov 03, 2011 

    RyanG :
    Great device! Assumedly works with Panasonic’s VIERA Link?
    Is there any reason why it isn’t more “dongle-like”, with fixed/attached HDMI/USB cables, instead of sockets? Sure, I have spare HDMI and USB cables, but the shortest one I have is ~1m… And my TV isn’t 2m from my HTPC, the existing 1m cable is too long. If there was a short HDMI+USB cable hanging out of this box, with a socket for the HDMI->TV, it’d be a lot easier to hide.
    Just a suggestion. :)

    It ships with short cables, see the installation video on youtube for what is supplied. Because each home is different and each setup is different, you may need to install the CEC Adapter after your amplifier (if it doesn’t pass the CEC wire through) equally, cables break, and are cheap to replace. Having integrated cables is expensive for us as well to have manufactured

  • Martin Ellis Nov 03, 2011 

    RyanG :
    @RyanG
    Ehhh.. Wait. Does it come with short cables? It’s not really mentioned on the product page, but here (http://blog.pulse-eight.com/2011/08/30/installing-the-cec-adapter/) says it does..

    Thanks, fixed the product description

  • Martin Ellis Nov 03, 2011 

    aptalca :
    I thought binary addons would be in Eden and they would be the big offering of Eden. If not, what is Eden offering?
    Sorry that was a bit off topic.
    The CEC adapter sure seems very intriguing. How about controlling two devices simultaneously? Is that supported? Such as, HDMI goes from htpc to CEC adapter, then goes to receiver, then to the tv. Can this control both the receiver and the tv from xbmc??

    We ran out of time, we’ve added so many other features in Eden we felt like they should be released, we’re hoping for Frodo now for binary addons

    RE: CEC Adapter you only need 1 for each distinct HTPC setup, i.e. TV, Receiver, PC the one adapter will control all devices simultaniously

  • Martin Ellis Nov 03, 2011 

    zemosabe :
    This may not be the right venue for this question but I will give it a shot anyway. I have a Sony TV with “BraviaLink”(sic?) capability. Sony seems to claim that I need a Sony receiver with BraviaLink in order to fully utilize CEC. I am currently in the market for a receiver and wondering if I am limited to Sony’s options. The Sony STR-520 seems well suited to my needs (cost and otherwise) but as Black Friday approaches it would be nice to know If other options exist.
    Would love to ditch my keyboard and Monster AVL 300 w/ a broken select key for a USB-CEC and Motorola Nyxboard.
    Keep up the good work Pulse Eight and XBMC Team!

    Largely speaking Bravia follow the CEC standard so any amp should interop with your TV, but we are working on library updates to the CEC Adapter which will allow it to act as a language bridge between 2 alien devices

  • Martin Ellis Nov 03, 2011 

    meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :
    uuuummmmmm why isnt my xbmc working it is just saying error plus my cousins and friends are not working either

    What build of XBMC are you running and if you have problems, best raise it on the forums or email Pulse-Eight support for help

  • Myth Nov 03, 2011 

    @Martin Ellis
    sounds sweet

  • Anders Nov 03, 2011 

    But Linux and some hardware already have this built in? My acre revo, can receive commands from my pioneer reciever.
    I don’t know how, but it do get them. I don’t know how to setup the different buttons so it do what I want.

    Maybe I will be able after this new release? :)

  • Pietje Puck Nov 03, 2011 

    wow, this sounds very interesting! thanks for telling us! i wasnt aware, that such hw exist!

  • Martin Ellis Nov 03, 2011 

    Your saying your Acer Revo is getting on/off + volume changes directly from your Receiver? and it is not connected by anything more than a HDMI cable?

  • wocis Nov 04, 2011 

    Great work. It looks like XBMC will rule them all (mean all home theatre systems) in near future :-)
    Every month there is some news about plugins, new hardware supported, or other exciting news :-)

  • hegemon13 Nov 04, 2011 

    This is great. I currently use the new media stub feature for my archived disc collection. Right now, I hit Play, and a message pops up telling me to insert a disc, along with the catalog and disc number. When I do, it plays the disc.

    I imagine a future where this feature could allow xbmc to be a head unit for your whole home theater. Want to watch a Blu ray? Just click the movie in the library. XBMC will tell you where to find it and pop open the blu-ray player’s tray. You insert the disc, and XBMC changes all your inputs for you to watch the Blu-ray. A completely seamless XBMC experience, even with completely separate, third-party devices.

  • voodoo Nov 04, 2011 

    Can you wake your HTPC from standby? I don’t think so.

    In which case you still need to keep an extra remote or keyboard to do this, or else go over and physically push the power button on your HTPC.

  • Martin Ellis Nov 04, 2011 

    voodoo :
    Can you wake your HTPC from standby? I don’t think so.
    In which case you still need to keep an extra remote or keyboard to do this, or else go over and physically push the power button on your HTPC.

    A firmware update being tested now will allow you to do this

  • Zaptor Nov 05, 2011 

    This is nice if U have a simple setup, but i Would never give up my Harmony Remote.

    The CEC will never be able to start my AV Amp, set the right imputs and audio settings, turn on the TV or Proj etc. in one macro!

  • J.Malenko Nov 05, 2011 

    FORTY EIGHT BUCKS FOR THIS???

    http://www.pulse-eight.com/store/products/104-usb-hdmi-cec-adapter.aspx

    You bet I *will* buy an harmony!

  • J.Malenko Nov 05, 2011 

    But wait… there’s more!

    http://rainshadowtech.com/default_files/HDMICECUSB.htm

    SEVENTY FIVE DOLLARS. For a RS-232 (old COM ports/NOT usb) interface, clunky design and “beta” software. Just what I was looking for.

  • Martin Ellis Nov 06, 2011 

    Zaptor :
    This is nice if U have a simple setup, but i Would never give up my Harmony Remote.
    The CEC will never be able to start my AV Amp, set the right imputs and audio settings, turn on the TV or Proj etc. in one macro!

    Zaptor, thats exactly what it is designed to do!

  • Zaptor Nov 06, 2011 

    Martin Ellis :

    Zaptor :
    This is nice if U have a simple setup, but i Would never give up my Harmony Remote.
    The CEC will never be able to start my AV Amp, set the right imputs and audio settings, turn on the TV or Proj etc. in one macro!

    Zaptor, thats exactly what it is designed to do!

    Ok wow, i must have missed something about CEC then.

    Could you please tell me how this device can:

    1 Start my Component connected HDTV projector and/or Plasma TV
    2 Power on my Amplifier and set the correct input and audio program
    3 Start my Dreambox, Xbox360, HTPC Etc.
    4 Change the Audio program on the AMP to Music, Movie etc. etc.
    5 Change the Contrast level on my plasma or projector.

    That Would be neat!

    • natethomas Nov 06, 2011 

      It definitely won’t do #1, zaptor. It’s an HDMI cec adapter. Your devices all have to be connected via HDMI to work… That’s sort of the point.

  • Simon Green Nov 06, 2011 

    Zaptor :

    Martin Ellis :

    Zaptor :
    This is nice if U have a simple setup, but i Would never give up my Harmony Remote.
    The CEC will never be able to start my AV Amp, set the right imputs and audio settings, turn on the TV or Proj etc. in one macro!

    Zaptor, thats exactly what it is designed to do!

    Ok wow, i must have missed something about CEC then.
    Could you please tell me how this device can:
    1 Start my Component connected HDTV projector and/or Plasma TV
    2 Power on my Amplifier and set the correct input and audio program
    3 Start my Dreambox, Xbox360, HTPC Etc.
    4 Change the Audio program on the AMP to Music, Movie etc. etc.
    5 Change the Contrast level on my plasma or projector.
    That Would be neat!

    With the exception of the final point about contrast levels, that is in fact exactly what CEC was conceived to achieve.

  • Zaptor Nov 07, 2011 

    natethomas :
    It definitely won’t do #1, zaptor. It’s an HDMI cec adapter. Your devices all have to be connected via HDMI to work… That’s sort of the point.

    Thanks, that´s what i said, better upgrade my AV Amp to HDMI now! :-)

  • Zaptor Nov 07, 2011 

    Simon Green :

    Zaptor :

    Martin Ellis :

    Zaptor :
    This is nice if U have a simple setup, but i Would never give up my Harmony Remote.
    The CEC will never be able to start my AV Amp, set the right imputs and audio settings, turn on the TV or Proj etc. in one macro!

    Zaptor, thats exactly what it is designed to do!

    Ok wow, i must have missed something about CEC then.
    Could you please tell me how this device can:
    1 Start my Component connected HDTV projector and/or Plasma TV
    2 Power on my Amplifier and set the correct input and audio program
    3 Start my Dreambox, Xbox360, HTPC Etc.
    4 Change the Audio program on the AMP to Music, Movie etc. etc.
    5 Change the Contrast level on my plasma or projector.
    That Would be neat!

    With the exception of the final point about contrast levels, that is in fact exactly what CEC was conceived to achieve.

    @Simon Green

    Not on my system since my AV amp is component signal based, not HDMI.

  • Martin Ellis Nov 07, 2011 

    Get with the times :)

  • reven Nov 07, 2011 

    can you map the “guide” button on your tv (mine is an LG) to open the tv guide in the xbmc pvr branch? how many buttons are mapable? im really interested in getting a few of theses, but i love my shortcut keys to guide, home, using channel up/down for paging, i have a recorded tv button i use etc.

    if the logical buttons (guide, menu, colors etc) can be mapped and use in xbmc, then awesome, this will be replacing my MCE remotes on my 5 setups.

  • reven Nov 07, 2011 

    also i have a appletv 2011 model, and it has a handshake issue, where if you changing tv inputs you basically have to reset the computer to make it work again. can this fix that?

  • Martin Ellis Nov 08, 2011 

    reven :
    also i have a appletv 2011 model, and it has a handshake issue, where if you changing tv inputs you basically have to reset the computer to make it work again. can this fix that?

    That sounds like an EDID issue, get a different adapter to handle that, regarding mapping, yes you can map keys, but exactly which keys get sent from your TV remote is down to the TV vendor

  • Harley Nov 08, 2011 

    Could you make a CEC adapter which used RJ45 network input instead of USB, or USB over IP/networked so that it can be used with Apple TV and also when the HTPC is in another room than the TV?

  • reven Nov 08, 2011 

    Martin Ellis :

    reven :
    also i have a appletv 2011 model, and it has a handshake issue, where if you changing tv inputs you basically have to reset the computer to make it work again. can this fix that?

    That sounds like an EDID issue, get a different adapter to handle that, regarding mapping, yes you can map keys, but exactly which keys get sent from your TV remote is down to the TV vendor

    is there a list of what vendors map which buttons? in the market for a new tv and this will be a pretty big factor.

  • Martin Ellis Nov 08, 2011 

    reven :

    Martin Ellis :

    reven :
    also i have a appletv 2011 model, and it has a handshake issue, where if you changing tv inputs you basically have to reset the computer to make it work again. can this fix that?

    That sounds like an EDID issue, get a different adapter to handle that, regarding mapping, yes you can map keys, but exactly which keys get sent from your TV remote is down to the TV vendor

    is there a list of what vendors map which buttons? in the market for a new tv and this will be a pretty big factor.

    If you get a new TV, expect a great deal of the remote to work, if you have an old TV expect less, we as yet don’t have a ‘master map’ as there are too many TV’s and too many implementations

  • Martin Ellis Nov 08, 2011 

    Harley :
    Could you make a CEC adapter which used RJ45 network input instead of USB, or USB over IP/networked so that it can be used with Apple TV and also when the HTPC is in another room than the TV?

    No plans for RJ45, there are CEC Adapters out there that cater for this premium and niche market, that said, the CEC Adapter can be anywhere on your HDMI network, typically (which is why we ship small length cables) the CEC Adapter is right next to the HTPC, and then your long HDMI cable runs from the CEC Adapter into your Amp or TV, so I don’t really understand why you need RJ45 for that.

    AppleTV is a different kettle of fish, because it’s such a transient product (i.e. who knows when ATV3 is out) we are waiting before committing to support that platform via some as yet undecided method as however we do it, it will require a bespoke design just for that platform

  • Adam Frederick Nov 09, 2011 

    I have the Rainshadow CEC adaptor and it works very well. I will probaly get the Pulse-Eight adaptor just for the XBMC integration. I’ll use the Rainshadow’s RS-232 to add sleep and wakeup powersaving to a dumb HDMI TV in another room. To anyone doubting the utility of HDMI-CEC, don’t doubt, it works well, jump in and support this.

  • Mikkel Funck Nov 09, 2011 

    Bought it for my XBMC HTPC / Sony TV setup. Works perfect inside XBMC, still working on the best settings for sleep/turn devices on/of etc, but it looks very good. I managed to remap some buttons via the remote.xml in XBMC to reclaim some missing features. I use my HTPC for Spotify as well and I see a lot of possibilities with this CEC device once more software is developed that utilizes this adapter.

    Great work guys!

  • reven Nov 09, 2011 

    i would love a ATV2 version that could map the same buttons as a standard version. then i could just buy ATV2 install the PVR branch on those machines, hide the ATV2s by attaching them to the tv and use a full remote. perfect setup.

  • Frey Nov 11, 2011 

    Great works guys! This was the missing link in my system, now everything works like a dream

  • Calleklovn Nov 11, 2011 

    Cool, but too pricey for me. I’ll stick to my Harmony remote and generic IR-receiver.

  • Martin Ellis Nov 11, 2011 

    reven :
    i would love a ATV2 version that could map the same buttons as a standard version. then i could just buy ATV2 install the PVR branch on those machines, hide the ATV2s by attaching them to the tv and use a full remote. perfect setup.

    ATV 2 support is highly unlikely sorry

  • Zaptor Nov 14, 2011 

    @Martin Ellis

    Sure, but upgrading my AMP alone is $1800 so i think i´ll stick with component for at while longer. :-)

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